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Datum: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 13:52:10 -0700
Lokaal: wo 26 sep 2007 22:52
Onderwerp: Re: Godel's proof, truth, reality, self-awareness, and all that jazz
On Sep 26, 12:48 am, Han de Bruijn <Han.deBru...@DTO.TUDelft.NL>
wrote: > cbr...@cbrownsystems.com wrote: Oh, crap! Yum, yum, a delicious bowl of crow for me to eat! :) > > See my previous comments on this system: > >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.logic/browse_frm/thread/e02b54f8cd... > > It is /not/ a system of heriditary finite sets, it is a system > > The main problem is that his system does not obey "A = B iff (x in A > My "axiomtization" of the system is far from perfect, admittedly. But in Yes, I misread your description of a set as formalized by a sequence A recursive version of your encoding f : HF -> N is described by: f({}) = 0 (I write "sum", but it would be more appropriate to use bitwise or). f is well-defined for HF sets; since HF sets are well-founded (no Note that if x in A, then f(x) < f(A). If we write "v" for bitwise or, "&" for bitwise and, "!=" for not x in A iff ((2^f(x)) & f(A) = (2^f(x))) >From this it easily follows that A = B iff f(A) = f(B) so f is an injection. The inverse encoding g : N -> HF is defined recursively as: g(0) = {} g is well defined, since if 2^m & n != 0, then m < n. g(f({})) = {} By induction staring with g(0), and noting that x in A -> f(x) < f(A), As regards your production rules, the naturals do provide a model Define: "{} is a set." "If A is a set or are sets, then {A} is a set." "If A is a set and B is a set then AB are sets" "If A is a set and B are sets then AB are sets" "There are no other ways of forming sets." Because of the function g, the HF sets are also a model; "A is a set" >From this interpretation, AA = A, and AB = BA; so my earlier comments were wrong, wrong, wrong. Cheers - Chas Je moet je aanmelden voordat je berichten kunt plaatsen.
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